Transcript – Episode 82
[Show music begins]
Caleb Graves: This is Episode 82 of Alohomora! for May 3, 2014.
[Show music continues]
Caleb: Hey everyone, welcome to a new month and our newest episode of Alohomora! I’m Caleb Graves.
Eric Scull: I’m Eric Scull.
Kat Miller: And I’m Kat Miller. And our special guest host today is none other than Hogwarts Radio host, Marissa. Hello! Thank you for joining us.
Marissa Reynolds: Aloha! Mora.
Kat: Aloha. Very nice. That’s how people spell our name incorrectly.
[Eric laughs]
Caleb: That is true.
Kat: “Aloha” instead of “Aloho”. Aloho. Yeah, anyway, remember, kids, it’s three “A”s. Oh my God.
Caleb: Wow!
Kat: Three “O”s, two “A”s.
Eric: Now you’re just confused.
Caleb: Alahamora.
Kat: Alahamora.
Marissa: It’s an “O” sandwich. The “A”s are on the end.
Eric: An “O” sandwich.
Kat: Oh, that’s perfect!
Eric: Marissa, please, for those of us who are not familiar with your role on Hogwarts Radio please tell us what house you are in and a little about yourself.
Marissa: I am a Ravenclaw, so go eagles!
Kat: Woo-hoo!
Eric: Yeah.
Marissa: And I’m a Chemistry PhD candidate at the University of Arkansas, so woo Pig Sooie.
Caleb: Sweet.
Kat: Wow.
Marissa: And I was a little afraid to talk to you, Caleb.
Caleb: Because I’m a Texan? A Longhorn?
Marissa: Yeah.
Caleb: Well, see down in Austin, since we don’t play Arkansas anymore, that was in days gone by. Texas doesn’t really think about Arkansas that much.
Marissa: Oh, thanks.
[Caleb and Eric laugh]
Kat: Burn.
Caleb: But it’s actually better that way because a lot of my family is from Arkansas, so then this makes me able to cheer on the Razorbacks as well…
Marissa: Yeah, you have a good family.
Caleb: … without any problems. Yeah, so I get to split my love. Well, I wouldn’t say split. I’d say 99 percent to 1 percent split my love.
[Kat laughs]
Caleb: Because my blood is burnt orange, so…
Eric: Now that Caleb is getting back together with his extended family, we want to remind our listeners to read Chapter 5 of Book 5, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. This is the title chapter, guys! This is called, “The Order of the Phoenix.”
Kat: Yay!
Caleb: So excited.
Marissa: I have to say, I’m pretty excited that I got to do this chapter with you guys because, in general, I’m not a huge fan of this book, but this is one of my favorite chapters in the whole book.
Kat: It is a good one.
Eric: Agreed. It’s pretty good.
Kat: That’s for sure.
Eric: Mhm.
Kat: But, of course, as usual, before we jump into this week’s chapter, we’re going to discuss some comments from last week, so let’s do it. Chapter 4. What was it called?
Caleb: “Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place.”
Kat: Yup. That’s it. All right, great. So our first comment here is from surprisinglyswishy. [swooshing noises] It says… and this was in reference to the discussion about the letters, and what was in them, and why Dumbledore asked them not to write, and all that. Anyway, comment says,
“But didn’t Dumbledore say not to tell him anything important? Ron could’ve written Harry an entire book about how the Chudley Cannons were doing in their matches. Hermione could have told Harry about pixies they found while cleaning out curtains without saying anything about Grimmauld Place or the Order. They could have said *something* to him, anything so that he wouldn’t feel so alone, even if they couldn’t tell him the big details. They literally *can’t* say anything about Grimmauld Place because of the Fidelius Charm and they knew very little about the Order, so it’s not really as though Dumbledore had to make them swear anyway. AND at this point Voldemort knows more about the Order than Harry because Snape’s telling him everything (that Dumbledore wants Voldemort to know), so hiding everything from Harry is beyond pointless.”
Eric: So coming from somebody who wasn’t on last week’s episode, but I did listen to and informing how I feel about this comment from what happens in this chapter, I think a key quote in this chapter is this. Really Dumbledore doesn’t want Voldemort to know how much they know. And so, that is pointed to at the end of this quote as well. So because Harry is – we find out later – linked to Voldemort and Voldemort could know, there’s that danger that, “Well, don’t tell him anything.” But I think this comment’s completely accurate in terms of Harry and Ron… or sorry, Hermione and Ron could be making great effort to really talk to Harry even if it’s not about the important stuff.
Caleb: I agree. Help a brother out. Maybe get… these are perfect examples of things that they could talk about, and bringing up the Fidelius Charm being a restriction inherently, duh. So they got to do better.
Kat: They do. As Harry’s “best friends,” I mean…
Caleb: Yeah.
Kat: I mean, you can’t write just nothing to the kid. That’s pretty harsh.
Eric: They were out of ideas.
Caleb: Yeah.
Eric: I think they were so… to stick up for them, I think they were so offended or hurt at not being included in everything that they were just, they had a brain meltdown. They just couldn’t think of anything to say because all the important stuff, or quote-unquote “important stuff,”ù was being withheld from them. So they felt, in many ways, that they were just like Harry or in the same position that he was and so I think they expected him to warm to them a lot easier. I mean, when he first arrives at Grimmauld Place in the last chapter, and they’re like, “Oh yeah, we bet you’re probably really mad at us.” Ron says that the first thing. Before he says hello, he’s like, “Are you pissed at us, mate? Because I’m sure you must be.”
[Caleb laughs]
Eric: They just buckle and take all of Harry’s anger, but really, they are in the same boat here.
Caleb: Yeah.
Eric: They’re not told anything and so I think they just didn’t expect it. There’s no way that they can tell whether or not small talk is going to just infuriate Harry further. I think it would, given how he’s treated the Daily Prophet.
Kat: Hmm. That’s a good point.
Marissa: The worst part about all the letters and stuff that they were sending him was, they were saying things like, “We can’t say much about it.” And…
[Eric laughs]
Kat: Yeah.
Marissa: You know, “We’re quite busy but I can’t give you the details.” And then, Hermione scribbled something in his birthday card, it was like, “I expect we’ll be seeing you soon.” And so it’s all of these vague hint drop things and he’s like, “Well, they’re obviously somewhere together without me.” And so they’re making it even worse by the stuff that they are sending him.
Caleb: Yeah.
Marissa: So, it may have been better if they just didn’t send him anything at all.
Eric: Where is Dobby to withhold letters when you need him?
[Marissa laughs]
Kat: Right? Ugh.
Caleb: It’s a good point though, talking about them being so flustered and caught up in everything, that they didn’t think because we know Ron was not the brightest one in this moment because, in the past chapter, he figured out just through the conversation that when the Order was talking about telling someone and watching over someone, “Oh yeah, that must have been Harry.”
Eric: Hmm.
Caleb: So…
Kat: Right.
Caleb: … Ron was not too bright.
Eric: It still was, half the time. [laughs]
Caleb: Yeah.
Kat: He is not the brightest crayon in the box.
Caleb: Poor guy.
Eric: Aww, I’m sure he’s a duller orange.
Kat: Yeah, like his hair, right.
Caleb: Like a burnt orange?
Eric: Yes. Or blood orange.
Marissa: No, not like a burnt orange.
[Caleb and Kat laugh]
Kat: Okay, next comment here is from Elvis Gaunt. It says,
“ùDid Dumbledore think Hermione was not safe at her parents’ home? That is the only reason why I think Dumbledore would allow her to come and stay at headquarters of the Order. She, like all the Weasley children, is not allowed to know much. Wormtail would have told Voldemort about Harry’s friends and if at all they are going to abduct anybody to gain information about Harry, Hermione is going to be the most easy target. Her disappearance is likely to be ignored by the Ministry (because they are trying to cover up Voldemort’s return) and the wizarding world (because she is Muggle-born). Also, probably that’s the reason why her parents allow her to be away from them every summer (and Christmas). They want her safe.”ù
Caleb: So sad.
Eric: I’m not sure how I feel about this. I mean, I think Book 7’s – Year 7’s – the year where everybody’s flipping out and the Muggle world isn’t safe.
Kat: Mhm.
Eric: But I do think that because she’s a friend of the family and the family who’s in the Order, I think that is what allows her to be… more so than her immediate safety. But of course, she would be safer under the protection of these other wizards and under the protection of this charm. So I think there’s something to be said about that, but it doesn’t get really bad until Year 7.
Kat: Well, doesn’t she say too that she doesn’t tell her parents what’s going on, but they know something is up?
Caleb: Yeah, I can’t imagine her telling them all the details because they would flip out.
Kat: Yeah.
Eric: Maybe she came home with a cavity ache because she had been eating so much comfort food and sugar. [laughs] And they were like, “Something’s up, Hermione.”
Caleb: Whoops.
Marissa: This is the second summer that she spends with him because last summer it was the Quidditch World Cup, but that was a really legitimate excuse to be there. And before that, it was… she was on holiday to France or something with her parents. So it’s like after the whole Voldemort thing comes to light is when she starts spending more time in the wizarding world. So maybe… I mean, her parents have to know something is up.
Eric: Well, maybe she played up the romance angle and is like, “This boy I like, Ron, his whole family is going to be staying somewhere,” and you know…
Kat: Girls do stupid things for boys they like.
Eric: It’s true. Maybe her parents just don’t like her all that much.
Marissa: Or it could be the Ginny thing.
Eric: Oh, the Ginny thing. Yeah. Of course.
Marissa: I mean, her being best friends with Ginny probably helps.
Eric: Yeah, especially if she… I mean, especially if her and Ginny are close girlfriends. “My number one girlfriend is staying with her family in London, can I go?” You know, something like that.
Kat: Oh, okay, I know what you mean. Okay. Well, whatever it is, our last comment here is from AccioPotassium! [laughs] I enjoy that username. Anyway, it says,
“We discovered in this chapter that there is a large gathering involving information received by the Half-Blood Prince from his false master. What kind of information did Professor Snape reveal to the Order of the Phoenix during their meeting? On a bigger note, how much information is Severus Snape allow[ed] to give to both parties without breaking their trust of him? We know that Dumbledore and Voldemort are calling the shots, but to what extent is Snape aloud to go freestyle in their spy conversations? Who do you think trusts Snape the most from the two opposing powers?”
Eric: I thought we were the ones who were supposed to ask the questions. [laughs]
Kat: Right, that’s true.
[Caleb and Eric laugh]
Eric: But I think that probably inherently trust… I think Voldemort doesn’t trust, right? He has a little bit of confidence in that he’s the most awesome evil guy ever. But if it’s trust, it’s got to be the good side who trusts Snape more – or at least in terms of Dumbledore – because Snape has proven times in past that he walks the walk very convincingly and is a Death Eater and was a Death Eater and did some terrible things to terrible people. So it requires trust to allow him to continue on the good side and being in the Order. So I think trust-wise, Dumbledore trusts Snape more than Voldemort does. Voldemort just thinks that he is evil enough to continue… that their interests align enough for him to continue being on Voldemort’s inner circle. But it’s not trust.
Kat: Yeah, I actually agree with that because he does end up killing him in the end. So… and I feel like that does have a little bit to do with trust.
Caleb: Hmm. Yeah, I would agree.
Marissa: Yeah, I don’t think Voldemort actually trusts anybody. It’s just maybe he’s got some kind of backup plan in case Snape does go crazy for the other side or whatever. He’s just like, “Oh well, if you do that then I’ll just kill you and this is … I have all these contingency plans on how to get rid of you anyway,” so…
Caleb: Yeah. That’s a good way of putting it. I thought about it as him reliably using people rather than trusting them for enduring periods.
Marissa: Mhm.
Caleb: But yeah, that’s good. Contingency plans out the door for Voldemort. Except for when it all goes bad.
Marissa: Right.
Kat: Exactly. And so as usual, we had a ton of other topics and comments…
Caleb: How many comments were there, Kat?
Kat: Last I checked, there was 218.
Eric: Wow.
Caleb: Wowza.
Kat: Yeah. So, wow! Holy crap, thank you guys a bajillion times over for all these comments. It’s ridiculous and we love it and it’s amazing. You definitely make our jobs a lot easier and a lot harder, so thanks.
[Eric laughs]
Kat: But a couple of the other topics that were covered – and Caleb, you’ll appreciate this one – there was a lot of Percy love, actually…
Caleb: Yuck.
Kat: … this time around. A lot of people defending his actions…
Caleb: He’s a horrible person…
Eric: No!
Caleb: … and he’s ignorant.
Eric: He’s misguided.
Caleb: Ignorant.
Kat: Okay. [laughs] And there was a lot of dissection of Ginny’s character and her importance to the story, and of course a lot of discussion about Grimmauld Place. So, be sure to head over to alohomora.mugglenet.com and our forums, which there’s a little link at the top, to join in those conversations.
Caleb: Yes, and now we are going to look at some of your responses to last week’s Question of the Week, which was: “In this chapter we are introduced to Extendable Ears, an invention of Fred and George’s, and we are wondering exactly how these strange devices function. What is the magic behind them? What is the material that they are made out of? Extrapolating further, can we assume this particular invention was meant to foreshadow the loss of George’s ear in Deathly Hallows? Or was this perhaps a connection that was never fully intended or realized?” So the first comment comes from AccioPotassium! and it says:
“I feel that Fred and George are tapping into their inter father’s obsession over Muggle technology. The Extendable Ears are basically a magical version of the classic two tin cans and a string. They probably have seen many strange tools involving Muggle communication from their father’s workshop, and the ears are just a way to add their own humorous artistic flair to a simple, yet useful Muggle technology.”
Quite a few people brought up that tin can and string analogy in the responses.
Eric: Yeah. It definitely… I think visually it really evokes that kind of device. And knowing that there’s a lot of really cool science behind that device and that it’s so simple to create, I guess an input-only telephone or output-only telephone is pretty cool. I think it’s a really cool device.
Caleb: Definitely, I want one.
[Eric laughs]
Caleb: Cassandra1447 talked more about the magic of the Extendable Ears and said,
“Perhaps the basis of the Extendable Ear is simply an enchanted tube. The input end of the Extendable Ear could catch the sound waves, which are then amplified and contained by spellwork, allowing the sound to propagate down the tube to the output end. We know the Sonorous Charm exists, so it is possible to amplify sound waves. We’ve seen spells [that] make things impenetrable or [that] create a shield, which suggests that a spell of containment is probably possible.”
Eric: Containment for where, or what do you think that that means?
Marissa: For the sound waves.
Caleb: Yeah.
Eric: So, like, to contain them in the tube? Because they actually… now that I think about it, they don’t really require all that much magic, do they? Because this is a scientific trick. The vibrations travel down a line and these Extendable Ears are connected by a string of some sort. So it’s probably the least magical device that Fred and George make. I like this comment for bringing up Sonorus, because that obviously enhances sound waves, particularly when they’re coming from your mouth immediately, but still I’m sure they could work later down the hallway. But I don’t know about the containment. Because as long as it’s a physical thing, it doesn’t actually even need to transfer through the air at all. The ears are attached to a string.
Kat: Hmm. I’ve been sitting here trying to form thoughts about this, and I’m kind of baffled.
[Caleb laughs]
Eric: Well, it’s a good Question of the Week.
Kat: Yeah. I like the thought of the telephone thing, with the thing.
Eric: Cup with strings? [laughs]
Kat: Yeah, cup with strings.
Eric: There’s got to be…
Kat: Sure.
Eric: I’m sure there’s a name for it and there’s also a name for the effect that causes it.
Kat: Mmm. That’s probably true.
Eric: You know, the actually scientific… what makes it work.
Kat: Hmm.
Eric: I can look it up. Do you want me to look it up?
Kat: Yeah.
Marissa: A lot of it just relies on the vibrations of the sound waves.
Eric: So here’s a paragraph or two from HowStuffWorks. This is actually really… I think it’s extremely relevant. “Here is why it works. When one person talks into his/her cup, the bottom of the cup vibrates back and forth with the sound waves. Imagine the bottom of the cup moving back and forth very quickly (1,000 times per second or more) with the sound waves of the speaker’s voice. The vibrations travel through the string by pulling the string back and forth. Therefore, the bottom of the second cup should start to vibrate back and forth just like the bottom of the first cup is vibrating, producing sound waves. The second person can hear the sound waves and […] therefore hear what the first person says. This is not much different from how a telephone works, except that [the] electric current replaces the string in a telephone. [So] in an old-style telephone, the person speaking vibrates [the] metal diaphragm. The diaphragm’s vibrations rapidly compress and uncompress carbon granules, changing their resistance.” So basically, if you substitute magic for electricity here, it can be exactly like that, that they’re talking about, I think, with it just sort of compressing and transferring the sound waves.
Kat: Okay. I’m not going to argue with science.
[Caleb and Eric laugh]
Eric: But just a theory: I have yet to see… they don’t name the science effect that causes this. But it’s sound waves, so it’s pretty cool.
Marissa: I’ve always thought the string part was kind of cool, that there’s some kind of attachment between the two ears that you hear. You hear out of one, and then you get the sound out of the other, but I always wondered if maybe this was developed further in the Wizard Wheezes career – I can’t say it…
[Eric laughs]
Marissa: [laughs] … into something more like a baby monitor to where you can just set an ear somewhere, which would be super awkward to find…
[Eric laughs]
Marissa: … but then take the other one and covertly be listening without the string in between them. More of the… like a baby monitor, to where it’s got just the electrical signals and stuff in between it.
Eric: Yeah. That would, very much so, and I think it’s really the… the alternative would be severing your ear from your head and having it still report sound to you if you if you lay it off somewhere.
Marissa: Well, I mean, we can ask George if that happens, so…
Eric: Yeah. If he still hears wherever his ear is. [laughs]
Kat: [laughs] That’s true.
Eric: Gosh.
Caleb: All right, and so we have one more response from Olivia Underwood, [which] says,
“I just wanted to mention that I have a pair of Extendable Ears from the Warner Bros. Studio Tour.”
Eric: What?
Caleb: [continues]
“They actually work, with earphones input into the plastic ears. I wonder, though, [if] in the books maybe the plastic ears weren’t just decoration but actually could record sound and transmit it at the same time, like those old LPs. So the ears were actually designed to receive soundwaves. I definitely think that this was a collaboration of the Weasley twins’ wowsy magic and Arthur’s knowledge of Muggle technology. As for the ear thing, Jo likes to make ties in […] her plots and foreshadow (obviously), so maybe at first that was not her intention, but when she came ’round to deciding how Fred would end up injured by Snape’s curse, perhaps she looked back and thought it would be an interesting link.”
Eric: Of course, they mean George, but… George lost his ear.
Caleb: Right, well, that is true. Yeah.
Eric: Yeah. But I like the implication that maybe Arthur helped in some way.
Kat: That would be awesome!
Caleb: Yeah.
Eric: Because I don’t really think that he did because he is very afraid of Molly.
[Marissa laughs]
Kat: He is, isn’t he?
Eric: But I have to say, “Clearly, his affection for Muggle stuff has rubbed off.” And we knew this as early as Chamber of Secrets when Fred and George start picking Harry’s lock.
Kat: Right.
Eric: So very exciting implications there. And we do appreciate all the answers we got for our Podcast Question of the Week.
Kat: As always.
Caleb: Yup.
Eric: As always. And now, I believe it’s time for…
[Order of the Phoenix Chapter 5 intro begins]
Sirius: Chapter 5.
[Sound of a knife being thrown and sticking into a table]
Sirius: “The Order of the Phoenix.”
[Order of the Phoenix Chapter 5 intro ends]
Eric: Well, we’re going to begin this chapter in a little bit of a different way than we normally do or have in the past. We’re going to begin with a chapter summary, and this is part of an effort on Alohomora! to really focus on some of the outstanding questions that arise from some of the information we get on chapters like this. So we’re going to start with sort of an overall summary and really just remind everybody and recapitulate what has happened, and then we’re going to delve into some of the major points that we’ve been able to come up with.
Kat: That was a major Ravenclaw moment for you.
Eric: Yes, I actually…
Kat: The big word.
Eric: “Recapitulate,” I know. My Puff brothers and sisters are very confused right now. But I just nod and wink.
Kat: Right.
Eric: Anyway, Harry discovers that Grimmauld Place used to be Sirius Black’s parents’ house. At dinner, Fred and George show off using some of their magic. They’re very happy to have just come of age recently. Tonks shows off her Metamorphmagus talents in changing her face, and Dung tells sordid tales of his less-than-upstanding citizenry with his dealings with people. So after dinner, however, Sirius lights a fire by asking Harry why he hasn’t asked about Lord Voldemort, and soon everyone is engrossed in finding out exactly who and what the Order of the Phoenix is and where and what Lord Voldemort is doing. All right.
Kat: Mhm.
Eric: That’s our summary. Do you guys have anything else to add?
Caleb: No, that was great.
Kat: That was a good summary.
Caleb: I’m so excited to talk about some of these things.
Kat: Me, too.
Eric: Yeah, this is a good chapter.
Kat: Mhm.
Eric: For sure.
Caleb: Plus, I grew up wanting to be in the Order of the Phoenix, so I love.
[Eric laughs]
Kat: Are all title chapters really awesome?
Caleb: That is probable.
Eric: It’s likely. But do you think they have an unfair advantage because everybody’s paying that much closer attention?
Kat: I don’t know, maybe. I’m just trying to remember because Prisoner didn’t have a chapter title. Which one doesn’t have… it’s Prisoner that doesn’t have a chapter.
Eric: Are you sure?
Caleb: Well, I can find out really quick[ly].
[Eric laughs]
Kat: I’m googling it right now.
Eric: This is stumping us. I can’t believe it.
Marissa: I just love chapter titles because you get to them, and you’re like, “Aha! That’s it!”
[Eric laughs]
Caleb: There’s not a chapter title “The Sorcerer’s Stone.”
Kat: I didn’t think so. Ha! And I know Chamber has one. I’m positive Prisoner doesn’t. Goblet does, Order does, Half-Blood does, and Deathly Hallows
Caleb: Yes, there is not one in Book 3.
Eric: Oh, wow.
Caleb: You’re correct.
Eric: Well, what does it mean? Guys, what does it mean that we’re only five chapters in, and we get this? [laughs] It’s like… for a book that’s 38 chapters, we sure hit this one pretty quickly.
Kat: I think it means that she’s not messing around.
Caleb: Yeah.
Marissa: Yeah, we’re not getting any more backstory or anything. We’re going straight into the meat of the story.
Kat: Yeah, no more filler.
[Eric laughs]
Kat: [as Rita Skeeter] “And Harry Potter was no ordinary boy of 12.”
Caleb: [laughs] Oh, really? You haven’t told us that enough, yet.
Marissa: Harry doesn’t get to go to Hogwarts with a quiet demeanor. He has to go all angsty in the book, so we got to start him out that way.
Kat: Mhm. That’s very true.
Eric: All right, well, our first point here – and this is coming off of several chapters of just very, very angry, angry Harry – Harry, during dinner, hears Sirius mention Dumbledore’s name sort of negatively, and he immediately feels a surge of affection for his godfather. He’s pretty much like, “You hate Dumbledore, too?”
[Caleb laughs]
Eric: “I hate Dumbledore. Let’s hate Dumbledore together. He’s terrible, isn’t he?”
Kat: Yay!
Eric: “We’re stronger united. I love you, Sirius.” So anyway…
Caleb: “Raise your hand if you’ve been victimized by Regina George.”
Eric: It’s exactly like that, Caleb.
[Caleb laughs]
Eric: Happy tenth anniversary to Mean Girls.
Marissa: “On Wednesdays, we wear pink.”
Eric: [laughs] Basically, Harry’s affection… look, you can comment all you want. I mean, I think it’s pretty ridiculous. But Sirius actually has reasons to be upset with Dumbledore, as we find out, and it’s because Sirius is being cooped up and kept out of the public. And really, what it comes down to is that Sirius says [that] Harry has actually had it better than he himself has this summer, and I thought this was a great opportunity to really ask the fellow hosts here – and the listeners – “Who has had it worse?” Is it Sirius, who is at the center of everything in all of the meetings but not able to leave the house, or is it Harry because he has been able to have all these leisurely strolls, but nobody’s telling him what’s going on? Who does have it worse?
Kat: I was trying to think of which I would prefer – to be cooped up in a house with all the information or be able to roam free with no information – and I’m a firm believer that ignorance is bliss, so I’m going to go with “Sirius has had it worse.”
Marissa: See, I think the opposite. I think Harry had it worse.
Eric: Well, this will make a great debate, then.
[Caleb and Marissa laugh]
Kat: I personally can’t stay cooped up.
Eric: Yeah.
Kat: So I would rather not know anything and be able to leave and wander and consider and ponder and… oh, that rhymed!
Marissa: Yeah, but the problem is, he’s not ignorant about it. He knows that Voldemort is back. He knows that there is something going on that he’s not being able to be told because of the letters that he’s getting from Ron and Hermione saying, “We can’t tell you what’s going on, but there’s something!” That kind of stuff kills me. It’s like when people start conversations, and they say, “Oh my gosh, I have to tell you. Oh, no, wait, I shouldn’t.” Then I’m just like, “Yeah, you kind of have to now.”
Eric: [laughs] Well, yeah. Harry is not able to appreciate his freedom. And when you view it from Sirius’s perspective, though, he has been free, whereas Sirius has not. And everybody knows now – and Voldemort knows – about his Animagus form, so he can’t even go out as a dog. He’s simply stuck in the house of his parents, which is still being decontaminated.
Kat: Yeah, but there are things like Disillusionment Charms and invisibility cloaks and the night time?
[Everyone laughs]
Kat: So…
Caleb and Eric: [laughs] The night time.
Kat: I just… he needs to suck it up and deal with it. He could have gone outside. I’m sure there’s a backyard, albeit probably a small one since we’re in London. But still.
Caleb: Wait, which were you saying you think has it worse? Because I feel like you’re changing your mind and not realizing it.
Eric: Oh, weird.
Kat: No, no! I was saying, “Sirius…”
Caleb: Has it worse.
Kat: Yes.
Caleb: Okay.
Kat: And he’s complaining about it, so I’m telling him to just suck it up and…
Caleb: Oh, okay. I was like, “Are you changing your mind and just unconsciously doing it? Okay.
Kat: Am I? I don’t know.
Caleb: I agree that Sirius has it worse because I mean, while Harry’s problems are… there are definitely problems there, he still has the hope and the know that he’s going to get out of there, where Sirius… the timetable for him being able to get out is unknown.
Eric: That’s a good point, actually.
Marissa: He’s also getting to see everybody, though. Lupin is coming in. That’s his best friend; he gets to see him. And he gets to see all the Weasleys and everybody coming in and out. And granted, Snape is part of that crowd…
Eric: Yes, in this chapter, Sirius talks specifically about how Snape taunts him still, and…
Caleb: Yeah. Also…
Eric: … we see that later, obviously. But that’s Sirius’s turn to whine. He’s like, “Ah, Snape always says weird things to me over the table, and…”
Kat: Yeah. Suck it up.
Eric: Okay.
Caleb: Also, he’s having to be stuck in the house that reminds him of his miserable family.
Eric: That’s true.
Marissa: Well, Harry is, too.
Caleb and Eric: Oh.
Caleb: Fair. But he gets freed from it!
Kat: Right, he gets to leave the house. So that’s better.
Eric: So let’s go around the table. Who’s said who has it worse? [laughs] Now I’m confused.
Kat: Sirius has my vote. Sirius.
Eric: Sirius has your vote.
Caleb: Sirius.
Marissa: Harry. I’m going to be odd.
Eric: Yeah. Caleb, who[m] did you say?
Caleb: Sirius.
Eric: Oh, gosh. I’m the deciding factor.. [laughs] Because Harry isn’t able to see past his anger, I would say… well, I guess Harry has it worse just because his friends just weren’t able to really ease his tension.
Kat: Eh, Hufflepuff, wrong answer.
[Eric laughs]
Caleb: [laughs] We’ll let the listeners decide.
Kat: Yeah, the listeners will decide.
Eric: That is just one of the many points that we have for this chapter, so…
Kat: Yeah.
Eric: I hope everyone enjoyed that as much as I did. But really the meat of this chapter comes in an argument, and I thought a lot of these points that were made – a lot of these accusations – I thought they occurred spread out over the next several chapters. No, it turns out that a lot of them are right here. Molly and Sirius duke it out…
Caleb: Yeah, stuff gets real.
Eric: … completely duke it out over Harry’s protection, over protecting him by withholding knowledge about the Order, about what Voldemort’s up to, and Molly even goes so far as to say, “He is not James, Sirius.”
Caleb: Oh, man.
Eric: And Sirius replies, “I can recognize…”
Caleb: I have so many feelings about that.
Eric: Oh yeah. You totally get the feelings because you’re like, “Man, they’re buds and it’s great,” but she says, “I’m not so sure. Sometimes the way you talk about him is as if you got your best friend back.” This is all in front of everybody, too. This isn’t just a small group of people. This is everybody. I think, even Ginny at this point, and it’s really, really intense, so coupled with that, you get the protestations of the kids. “Hey, we’re of age.” You know, Fred and George. Everyone wants to know about Voldemort, but really what bothers me is, I want to know… Look, duking it out like this is not good for Harry no matter what. The fact that they’re fighting over him… Sure, they both like him, but this is unprofessional and all this other stuff, so who do we think is right? And who do we think is wrong? And are we sad with both of these parents for having to fight like this? Or are we happy that they care so much?
Kat: I’m not happy that they’re fighting. I’m happy that they definitely care about Harry. I think I actually really tend to take Molly’s side of this argument. I don’t know if that’s because she’s female, or because Sirius is really far too reckless in my eyes.
Eric: He hasn’t done anything reckless so far in this book. So it’s hard for Molly to come at him like this in Chapter 5 and have us, as readers, expect to agree with her.
Kat: Yeah…
Caleb: I expect this out of Sirius – to argue like this – I don’t expect it out of Molly. I expected better of her. But the thing that actually got me the most angry – aside from her pulling out the James comment, which I think was totally uncool, but also in the heat of the moment things happen – but when she got upset with him for being in Azkaban, that was an unforgivable accusation.
Eric: Oh.
Caleb: That infuriated me.
Kat: Yeah. Yeah, that was bad. I’ll give you that. That was bad.
Caleb: I was just like, “Oh my God.” I…
Eric: She kind of makes it seem like she had to step up the game and be a parent because Sirius was too reckless and got sent into Azkaban.
Caleb: Yes.
Eric: Yeah.
Caleb: And I think we all can agree that Molly is a wonderful person and thank God she’s there for Harry, but she clearly is so attached to him here that she is leaving very little room for Sirius to make his own place in Harry’s life.
Eric: So who is right, though, on the policy of not telling Harry everything? I mean, they both kind of look to Dumbledore about this but Sirius doesn’t even like Dumbledore right now, so Sirius is more inclined to break the rules. So, it’s like Sirius is this more and more free guy. He wants Harry to know because Harry is an adult, or Harry at least has gone through… he has a really quote here about him going through as much as anybody else in the Order, and more than some in terms of facing Voldemort, and some of the real life dangers. But we have to remember that he’s not happy with Dumbledore, so he’d probably do the first thing that he could to screw up the plans. Sort of disregarding the fact that there’s a good reason, as Molly points out, that Harry should not be told what Voldemort is up to, even though none of them knows what it is. So who’s right with telling Harry stuff?
Kat: Marissa, go first.
Marissa: [laughs] I’m afraid to, I like being a guest on this show.
[Everyone laughs]
Caleb: Feel free to say what you think.
Kat: Yeah.
Marissa: [laughs] Well, I kind of side with Sirius. I side with Molly to an extent, but mostly I side with Sirius.
Eric: Okay, we’re not going to throw you off, like “Off you go, now leave!”
Marissa: Right, peace! No…
[Eric and Marissa laugh]
Kat: Continue.
Marissa: Mostly because Harry was there when Cedric died, and he saw Voldemort come back, and he’s fought him every year since he’s been in school, and… well, I guess not the third year, but it was still, sort of, because he had Pettigrew. But anyway, he’s done this… his whole life has become the way it is because of this one bad wizard. And now that he’s back and Harry was the one that saw him, then it was just kind of like, “Okay well, you just saw Cedric die. I need you to tell us your story and then go take a nap in the hospital wing, and then you’re not going to know anything else for the whole summer.” And it’s just like he was kind of in the middle of all of this, and then all of a sudden he’s being completely shut out. And personally I would want to know at least what’s going on, just because it is such a big part of his life. It is his whole life pretty much, and he’s not being told anything. I think he should know as much as possible, to an extent. Where they cut it off, I think, is good, but Molly just not wanting to tell him anything at all, I don’t think that’s right, I think he’s got a right to know at least some of it.
Kat: Yeah, I was going to say that I actually don’t agree with either of them. I agree with Lupin, [laughs] and here…
Eric: Yeah, Lupin is here, people. Lupin is here.
Kat: Yeah.
Eric: We shouldn’t forget that.
Marissa: Right. Well, I choose Lupin.
[Eric and Marissa laugh]
Kat: Yeah, Harry needs to have the basic information because he is Harry. He is the other half of this equation.
Eric: Yeah.
Kat: And granted, obviously they don’t know everything, but Dumbledore pretty much does at this point.
Eric: Yeah.
Kat: So I think… yeah, I think Lupin was right, the basic facts.
Eric: Yeah, actually, and to be honest I’m just more disappointed in Dumbledore in this chapter that he’s not there, and I think Hermione…
Kat: Mmm.
Eric: … and Ron had said – I think in the last chapter – that they’ve only seen him twice this whole past month, but still, on that occasion he made a point to make them swear not to tell Harry anything, and he knows. He knows about the prophecy, he was the one who heard it, or knows about it the first time, the day it came out, and he should be the one to tell Harry what’s up. “Welcome to Sirius’s house, here is why I couldn’t tell you everything,” and get him started on Occlumency lessons right away because this is presumably why the issue happens. The fact that… I think the reveal and Occlumency comes way too late in the books, or way too late in this book, and it’s been awhile since I’ve read, so I guess I’ll comment when that chapter becomes relevant, but I think that Dumbledore really is telling a very dangerous lie here, and he’s encouraging this kind of insurgence from people like Sirius who are just angry with the way he does things. So yes, it’s good that they find stuff out and I’m glad that Molly was overruled by everyone.
Marissa: I feel so bad for Ginny, though.
Caleb: Yeah, she’s the only one that gets left out…
Marissa: Yeah, she’s the youngest and she just has to go to bed. [laughs]
Eric: I have a question about that because Molly tries, unsuccessfully, to kick everyone else out, but Mr. Weasley stands up for Fred and George, and Ron and Hermione are like “Well Harry will just tell us, won’t you?” And she’s only able to kick out Ginny.
Kat: Which is stupid, come on.
Eric: But it’s just because she can because she’s the mom and she’s…
Kat: Yeah.
Eric: … grasping for power and wants to send somebody to bed. [laughs]
Marissa: Well, and she needed to win part of it because she lost the fight with Sirius because Harry is now being told what’s going on. She’s now got of-age wizards in Fred and George, and Ron and Hermione aren’t really shielded from anything because they’re best friends. And so she’s just like, “I have to win this one with Ginny. She’s my youngest, she’s my only daughter, she has to listen to me.”
Kat: Right.
Eric: But here’s a quick question. So Ginny is sent away and this is sad, but how will Ginny find out the information? I had a question, I kind of asked myself this, well, she could ask Hermione because we know they’re friends, but what if Hermione chooses to respect Molly’s wishes? Wouldn’t that be weird if she’s just like, “Your mom didn’t want you to know, I can’t tell you.”
Kat: Does Ginny… does she even know?
Eric: What do you mean?
Kat: Does she actually know any of the information that they learn?
Eric: Oh, does she ever find out? I assume she finds out immediately, because I think she’s kind of got that personality, right? She’s chucking dungbombs at the kitchen door out of solidarity because she’s…
Kat: Yeah, but is that because she’s being influenced by Fred and George?
Eric: But if she is, that means she’s close enough to Fred and George for them to tell her, I think.
Kat: Yeah.
Eric: Yeah, but who do we think will tell her? Because I kind of see Hermione being like, “Oh, I should respect your mother’s wishes.”
Kat: No, I actually concur with that. I don’t think Hermione would tell her. I do think it would probably be Fred and George.
Marissa: I agree, I think they have an actually very close relationship.
Kat: Yeah.
Caleb: Yeah, I think Fred and George are closer to Ginny in some ways than they are with Ron.
Kat: Yeah, because she has the same type of spirit as they do, you know?
Eric: Yeah. Well, I hope we do get an indication in a future chapter that Ginny has been told about this stuff.
Caleb: Yeah.
Eric: Because I hate to think of her being left out just because of Molly’s aggressive motherhood. Well, there you go.
Caleb: Right.
Eric: Of course, we do find out, once the conversation gets started, we hear a lot about Voldemort. And what I took away, it’s really big emotional resolution from the end of the last book, so we’re getting into it, but this is when it’s really brought up that Harry’s return from the graveyard really expedited in many, many, many good ways the fact that the Order even has a fighting chance.
So the Order of the Phoenix was established to defeat Voldemort the first time around and because Harry was able to bring word of Voldemort’s return straight to Dumbledore, they said within an hour of his return, Dumbledore has been able to put these plans in motion. However, it’s kind of like a ragtag group because you have the werewolf who’s not welcome at dinner, you have the escaped convict you can’t even leave the house. So whereas they’re trying to recruit all these people in this chapter and really inform people, it’s a losing battle due to the Ministry’s stance, well, I don’t know about a losing battle, but it’s made more difficult because Voldemort has smartly chosen to play it safe and the Ministry is choosing to basically, we saw them in the last chapter, they slam Harry or turn him into a running joke, so they’re trying to discredit everyone here.
So what do you guys think about this whole, I guess, plan and the information we learn in this chapter?
Kat: Mmm.
Caleb: Reading through it this time, I felt like, “Wow, I was hoping for more meat, more about what’s actually going on.” I guess I’m thinking from the perspective of knowing what happens through the whole series, but it seems like they really are at such an infancy stage even though this is a standing organization that was there before that Dumbledore is reviving.
Eric: Okay.
Caleb: I don’t know.
Marissa: I’m kind of surprised, honestly, that they didn’t mention Hagrid.
Caleb: Yeah, that’s another thing.
Marissa: Because they talk about how Voldemort wants to build up his army with a variety of dark creatures and it says he’s planning to recruit the giants and then they just don’t say anything else about it…
Kat: That’s very true.
Marissa: … and they go through everybody – listing it off – like, “Oh well, I’m a werewolf I can’t do it.” “Oh well, I’m an Auror I don’t want to lose my job,” and but Hagrid is never mentioned at all in this and I think that would have made Harry feel a little bit better to know that there is someone out there working…
Kat: Is that an oversight, maybe?
Caleb: Yeah, I feel like, I feel like otherwise she would have at least dropped an Easter Egg that someone is on a mission – hinted at – that someone is on a mission with the giants or something.
Kat: Right. Yeah.
Eric: Yeah, I think that their point is that there is more than just the giants that he’s trying to recruit and really heavily laid on how bad the Ministry is pressuring people. It’s even said that the fact that they are not informing their people – and you just feel bad reading this – the fact that they are not informing people, the fact that most of the people in the wizarding world are unaware completely – Dumbledore is just trying to put them on their guard, kind of. It is said that the fact that they are unaware, makes them an even easier target for things like the Imperius Curse.
Kat: Mhm.
Eric: So this is huge because the people who are put under the Imperius Curse – the people who are in positions of power and that sort of thing – and it’s really dangerous now to see just the fact that the government’s stance is directly undoing their safety.
Kat: Ugh. Mhm. Yeah.
[Everyone laughs]
Eric: I realize that it’s a bummer topic here, but on the whole this conversation isn’t too long besides the fact that – establishing that Dumbledore too is taking a lot of hits in trying to get this information out. But really what it ends on is really Voldemort is looking for a weapon sort of thing…
Kat: Right…
Eric: … and that…
Kat: … the non-weapon.
Eric: Yeah, a non-weapon, weapon. So this really informs… this is what Harry takes away as we see in the future chapters. But it’s… I think it’s a good catching up of what they are going to. The whole fact that they don’t mention Hagrid, okay, but it’s kind of extra information because they said they didn’t want to give out specific details… if Voldemort were listening in to those conversations. Let’s just pretend for fun that Dumbledore was totally right and that Voldemort is listening in… directly – like complete one hundred percent attention to everything that Harry hears. What would be lost now? Like if they had mentioned Hagrid, would it put Hagrid in danger? Or…
Marissa: Are you saying because Harry is there that Voldemort is listening? Because they talk about stuff in their meetings all the time.
Eric: Yeah, I’m saying because Harry is there.
Kat: Yeah.
Eric: So let’s assume that Voldemort’s got extendable ears or complete…
Kat: No… through the Horcrux… he can…
Eric: Yeah, through the Horcrux, through the scar connection. We don’t know about Horcruxes yet, so assume it’s through the scar, whatever the scar may be, that Voldemort has like a baby monitor [laughs] that’s right on Harry. So Voldemort is in the room and this is how Dumbledore treats Harry in this book as if he is a direct walkie talkie to Voldemort…
Kat: Mhm.
Eric: … and so what really is violated in this… what does the Order loose by telling Harry this, if Voldemort was 100% listening right now?
Kat: Nothing.
Eric: I think that goes a long away to say that’s why they didn’t get too specific.
Kat: Then I think only the name dropping of people who are in the Order, if they don’t already know everybody who’s in the Order.
Eric: Mhm. And…
Marissa: Yeah, because Sirius talks about Snape a lot.
Eric: Oh…
Kat: Oh!
Eric: Oh, snap!
Caleb: Mhm.
Kat: Good point. From the Ravenclaw. Just saying.
Marissa: [laughs] Go big blue!
[Caleb and Eric laugh]
Kat: Love it.
Eric: Snape may know or Voldemort may know that Snape is in the Order. You know what I’m saying? Because…
Kat: Oh, he’s probably been ordered to be in the Order, hasn’t he?
Eric: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So he could be cross-information feeding…
Kat: Truth, truth. Okay, so nothing.
Eric: Really the final point I wanted to bring up here is again Dumbledore encountering his own resistance, I guess, and we see so little of Dumbledore at this junction, and at this juncture, at this point in the story. But apparently, he wrote an essay or a speech that he delivered to the Wizengamot, the high wizard court, and it was about Voldemort being back because Dumbledore just needed to put that out there in the world and he has been removed from the Wizengamot and they are actually talking about revoking his Order of Merlin, First Class. This is like, “Okay, you don’t touch the accolades, people. Don’t do it.”
Caleb: Yeah, that’s super bad.
Eric: He earned that. But this is how the government is working, or trying to work to discredit Dumbledore’s status, much like they have been.
Kat: Yeah. It’s not like he’s Milli Vanilli.
Eric: [laughs] Umm…
Kat: Nobody got that! laughs]
Caleb: I don’t know what that means. Is that even a word?
Kat: Nobody got it?
Eric: Sorry.
Caleb: I think you’re making up words.
Kat: They had a Grammy taken back from them because they lip-synced.
Caleb: That’s really funny.
Kat: Wow, I’m showing my age. Sorry, Eric. Continue.
[Caleb laughs]
Eric: Milli Vanilli. Okay, Milli Vanilli. I’m going to write that down. I’ll look that up and read that article later. So is Dumbledore really suffering here? What do we think? Do we feel any better about…?
Kat: No.
Marissa: Well, not quite; he’s still got his Chocolate Frog Card.
[Eric laughs]
Caleb: There you go.
Kat: He doesn’t give two poops. He doesn’t care. Meh, he doesn’t care.
Eric: Okay. So does it make us feel a little bit better about Dumbledore now, or not?
Kat: I’m perfectly fine with Dumbledore, so…
Eric: Ooh.
Kat: I love this book. I think everybody’s actions are completely justified in this book, so…
Caleb: I would argue that point on Dumbledore but I think that could be better for a different chapter.
Kat: Yeah. I think so, too. There’s going to be a lot of that, I fear.
Eric: Well, yeah.
Marissa: Well, in this particular spot, I really feel like Dumbledore has got his priorities a little bit straight because he’s like, “Okay, that’s a title that you’ve just taken away from me but here’s the real problem.”
Kat: Right.
Marissa: So that’s cool to see; the fact that he’s… I mean, it sucks because when they take his titles and everything away it puts him in a bad light publicly, but because he’s sticking to his beliefs so much that he’s just like, “You know what? That’s a title. That’s fine. You’re not going to hurt me but I’m not worried about me. I’m worried about” – oh my gosh – “for the greater good.”
[Eric laughs]
Caleb: Whoopsy!
Kat: Oh! Full circle, full circle.
Eric: Huh. Well, good points.
Marissa: These things just come to me. Sorry.
[Eric laughs]
Kat: No, it’s okay.
[Marissa laughs]
Eric: Well, that, I believe, concludes our discussion of Chapter 5, “The Order of the Phoenix.”
Kat: Be sure, listeners out there, to let us know how you feel about the new format and stuff because this is how we’re going to continue the rest of the books; since they’re so big and dense, we can’t go through every chapter the way that we used to. So we want to hear your feedback for sure.
Caleb: Yes. And obviously, we’ll not be able to hit every single point of the chapter, so one, that is a great way for you guys to start new discussions in the forums that will take off from there.
Kat: Mhm.
Caleb: So it is time for this week’s Question of the Week and it’s something we didn’t talk too much about on the episode but should draw some interesting responses from you guys. Here’s the question: Fred and George can now do magic outside of school since they are of age, but it can be argued that they use this magic a little bit excessively. Moreover, students from Hogwarts, or any school, reach that age at different points in their life, depending on their birthday. Should the Ministry adjust the rule to be when they complete all years of school before they can use magic outside of school? Or maybe should it be after six years of school? Just opening the door to some possibly better – or maybe not so better – ways of regulating how people should be able to use magic outside of school. Let us know what you think.
Eric: I like this question a lot. [laughs]
Kat: Yeah.
Eric: Really… soup, anyone? [laughs] Yeah, Fred and George do take it a little excessive, but…
Kat: A little bit, yeah.
Marissa: I’m headed to the forums right now to answer this because I have some thoughts.
[Eric laughs]
Kat: Nice. Well, there you go. And Marissa, we want to thank you so much for joining us. We hope you had fun.
Marissa: I did! I’m excited. I hope you guys get a chance to have me back because that was fun.
Kat: Yeah, you were awful! It’s never happening again!
[Caleb laughs]
Marissa: I know.
Eric: I can’t believe the Ravenclaw to Ravenclaw hatred here.
[Marissa laughs]
Kat: No, no.
[Caleb caws]
Marissa: I just have so many opinions.
[Eric and Marissa laughs]
Kat: No, it’s okay. You’re allowed to.
Eric: Hey, supporting Sirius. You’re all right, all right?
Caleb: “I just have so many feelings!”
[Eric and Marissa laugh]
Marissa: I love getting to discuss them.
[Everyone laughs]
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Caleb: Push it real good.
[Eric and Kat laugh]
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[Marissa laughs]
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[Caleb laughs]
Kat: Accepted!
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